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Villain Deathmatch, Round 3

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Poll #1729385
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 30

The Valeyard (Classic Who) vs. the Dream Lord (New Who)

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Valeyard
24 (80.0%)
Dream Lord
6 (20.0%)

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nonelvis
Apr. 12th, 2011 08:08 pm (UTC)
I believe you are missing option 3: elliptic_eye, for making us choose here.
elliptic_eye
Apr. 12th, 2011 08:15 pm (UTC)
HOW IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION??
nonelvis
Apr. 12th, 2011 08:44 pm (UTC)
But they're both alternate versions of the Doctor! Probably! Sort of!
ghost2
Apr. 12th, 2011 08:10 pm (UTC)
Easy one! ;)
elliptic_eye
Apr. 12th, 2011 08:15 pm (UTC)
Correct answer!
kian15
Apr. 12th, 2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
I plead the fifth.
elliptic_eye
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:08 am (UTC)
INFIDEL
kian15
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:14 am (UTC)
Yes, yes. But if I'm going to be judged, I choose to be judged for being dubious.
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elliptic_eye
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, for villainy. The cackle, the big thinking, and the being-played-by-Michael-Jayston all contribute to a winning hand, obvs.
fearlessfirefly
Apr. 12th, 2011 09:52 pm (UTC)
I voted for the Valeyard although my personal head canon says he and the Dream Lord are one and the same.
bluerosefairy
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:29 pm (UTC)
THIS.
amaresu
Apr. 12th, 2011 11:15 pm (UTC)
I believe option 3 is supposed to be: These are two names for the same character right?
elliptic_eye
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:07 am (UTC)
See, but that would be the trick answer, 'cause the Valeyard would never be uninhibited enough to wear a Eurotrash get-up and hit on the Doctor's companion outright.
amaresu
Apr. 13th, 2011 03:40 am (UTC)
Ah, but the Dream Lord is like the proto-Valeyard. He's where the Valeyard comes from. In a regeneration or two.
moon_blitz
Apr. 12th, 2011 11:36 pm (UTC)
I voted for the Dream Lord, because I've never seen the episode(s?) with the Valeyard. Aaand it appears I'm the only one so far who has voted for him. Well, this is awkward...
elliptic_eye
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:07 am (UTC)
So much unrealized potential in the Valeyard eps. I still mourn. ;_;

*judges you all srs-like*
scarfman
Apr. 12th, 2011 11:37 pm (UTC)

What if you believe they're the same being?

Not that I've made up my mind.

elliptic_eye
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:06 am (UTC)
That's supposed to be what makes it hard! Though I would argue that the Dream Lord is far less repressed than the Valeyard—and probably is the simple "amalgamation of dark sides" while the Valeyard is not.

Not that I have yards of fanwank already.
prof_pangaea
Apr. 12th, 2011 11:41 pm (UTC)
i know you are judging me, but in my defense i must plead TOBY JONES.

anyway, the valeyard wants to kill the doctor. by the time the doctor's subconscious forms the dream lord he's realised it's far worse torture to let him live, but make him examine his life.
elliptic_eye
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:03 am (UTC)
TOBY JONES is not at all a bad defense. :D

Yah, but the Valeyard didn't just want to kill him for kicks; he wanted to kill him for life, and once he had those lives, he probably would have done some scary shit. I mean, if the Master is worried about him as a rival…
prof_pangaea
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:58 am (UTC)
if the master has any sense at all he would be SCARED AS SHIT of the valeyard, because the doctor without any moral boundaries wouldn't be competition for the master, he would fucking CRUSH the master. and not even in the sexy way that hthe master likes.
airie_fairy
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:13 am (UTC)
Okay, I haven't actually seen Trial, but as gloriously creepy as the Dream Lord is, I think the Valeyard is where the vote is going because your inner self-hatred is one thing, but the maniac you eventually actually turn into?
elliptic_eye
Apr. 13th, 2011 12:21 am (UTC)
The maniac with plans, no less.
stunt_muppet
Apr. 13th, 2011 02:18 am (UTC)
I mostly voted to avoid being judged. :(

But I had to go with the Valeyard just because I like what he represents/his concept more than that of the Dream Lord - the whole idea of a manifestation of your most despicable self is interesting, but I've seen it done a bunch of times before. The specter of determinism that the Valeyard represents isn't done as often and, to me, is much more interesting.
elliptic_eye
Apr. 14th, 2011 05:07 am (UTC)
The specter of determinism that the Valeyard represents isn't done as often and, to me, is much more interesting.

Quoted for truthiness.
glinda_penguin
Apr. 13th, 2011 07:16 am (UTC)
*points upwards*

I second prof_pangea and plead Toby Jones...

(Also, judge away, I prefer to pretend that Trial never happened at all)
elliptic_eye
Apr. 14th, 2011 05:10 am (UTC)
*judges 4eva*

Toby Jones, though I know nothing about him outside of that appearance, is clearly bitchin' cool. I can't see them bringing the character back given the in-verse explanation for his appearance, but I'd be willing to forgive a plot hole or two for another visit.
rushikayu13
Apr. 13th, 2011 08:03 pm (UTC)
...The Dream Lord moderately worried Amy and scared Rory (a little). The Valeyard terrified the Master (who, in that same incarnation, destroyed a quarter of the universe because he was bored...I may be remembering that part wrong).

No contest, Valeyard takes it in the space of a Time Lord's heartbeats.
elliptic_eye
Apr. 14th, 2011 05:11 am (UTC)
Much as I <3 the Dream Lord, the Valeyard has it all over him in the villainy department, I agree. I mean, c'mon. Vinyl skullcap and Charles Dickens and everything.
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